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Oh my god I've been sucked in! I think the difference of opinion is a semantic one about what consitutes an OE colour. Nigel feels it's only the colours that were applied in England, Colin feels that if they were applied by Austin Austrialia (or whatever the subsidiary were called) then it's OE. I think you could probably construct a pretty good argument for both cases. be my last "gospel" some one of records of ID some register racing (1), what was cars "Jeremy Cogman" 29776... MORE
I have lived in London for a spell, about four months, and visited Great Britain on many occasions and have British friends who visit me on occasion. A history of British cars . . . 60 bugeye Sprite, 63 Sprite, TR4, 62 Midget, 73 Midget, now with a 60 bugeye bonnet, 74 Midget, and a 69 Midget parts car I have always noticed a propensity for the British to classify information in far greater increments that we in the US. One could say a bit anal about information. I am in danger of stereotyping here, but I would say... MORE
Nigel, you know the saying, when you in stuck in a hole, stop digging! Lighten up!! ;-) If these colours that Colin lists were the way those cars were prepared by the Australian franchisee that assembled the cars, then they are, for Australian cars, the original colours. And in the UK motor industry in general, colour shades varied considerably and, just as with other componenets, if they were short they were just as likely to knock off a few in the nearest colour available on the adjoining production line. So I do not think that you should be as... MORE
Colin Well I think you just proved the point - that the Australians pretty much painted the cars whatever colour they fancied painting them. Who's ever heard of Carnation Red, Bill Blue or Bard Grey? Are you serious? Quite how you can sit there with a straight face and claim that British Racing Green was an 'official' colour for Bug/Frogeye's is well beyond me. I'll repeat it again for you - British Racing Green never has, never was nor ever will be a Bug/Frogeye OE colour. Whatever Australians fancied painting their cars is and was entirely up to them... MORE
Excellent Sprite and Midget boards at www.mgcars.org.uk so the MGA one is probably just as good. "Jeremy Cogman" 29761... MORE
G'day Nigel "I wasn't counting the cars shipped out as 'kits'." Then say so, Nigel. What you said was "Bugeye's never came with British Racing Green as a colour option." That statement is incorrect. "Whatever the Australians fancied painting there (sic) Frog/Bugeyes in is largely irrelevant." Not irrelevant to us. Nor is it irrelevant to people interested in originality and authenticity. There has been too much incorrect info published and accepted as "gospel" without checking what might have been done with regard the many thousand cars built here. Please don't add to the wealth of misinformation by sweeping (incorrect)... MORE
And Great to drive over at night. Did it in my Mk3 Midget one April, on a London to Edinburgh overnight run. You can really get the speed up, as you can see when there are any other cars coming from the opposite direction (the lights from several miles away is a dead give-away!!) Daytime is a little trickier, though, especially if there is another car too close in front, and you need to make a run at a steep bit. Another steep bit is Applecross, on the Western coast of Scotland. That I thnk is a bit steeper... MORE
Colin No that statement "Bugeye's never came with British Racing Green as a colour option." is not 'incorrect'. As far as I am concerned Bug/Frogeyes made in England at the factory either for export or home market use did not come with British Racing Green as an OE factory painted colour option. Neither did the Bug/Frogeye's that were sent to Australia leave this country painted as British Racing Green. If you look at the factory colour schemes for Bug/Frogeye's you will not see British Racing Green as a colour option. Now, whatever the Australians did to the cars when... MORE
The ex Cap'n wrote...."Wrynose" You people "over there" have got the coole st names for things! :) My favourite in the Lake district was the "Hardknot" pass. Single track with passing points. Longish straights and a few hairpins. I s eem to remember it finishes with cattle grids and a chicane though a farmya rd type environs, - solid granite walls. I thought I was saving petrol by trying to coast down the mountain, but wh en the brakes overheated and I had no engine braking I found out how hard t he granite walls of the barn were.... MORE
I think it was Alan who was querying this... either he didn't know that Bugattis were blue (unlikely) or he didn't know that thery were French. ************************************************** I knew most Bugattis were blue, although I'm looking at a (Belgian)1920's B lack one at the moment. The famous type 35 (from 1924) usually blue and sti ll raced in historic GP events. I thought they were Italian up until modern days, but no. The early cars were made in Italy 1899 to 1911 'ish Then the family moved to France and production was increased-particularly a fter the 1st world war.... MORE
To Pootle ... is in my terms , a slowish kinda drive. Not racing anywhere, just driving along admiring the scenery. :-) Same meaning in our household - my wife says so. But also includes stops fo r photography. As opposed to plod, as in plodding along, when you just go slowly, surely, safely, same slow pace, nothing exciting ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Z Alan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -... MORE
G'day all And sorry Nigel - BRG was a standard colour for Bugeyes in Australia. The cars assembled here came in as CKD (Completely Knocked Down) and painted in grey primer. They were painted here in four standard colours, after four European national racing colours: Rhiems Blue (France) Monza Red (Italy) Nurburg White (Germany), and British Racing Green (duh). The Australian ID plates on the firewall were stamped with the car model, body number, engine number and colour. We have quite a few on the Register that were (and many still are) British Racing Green. Sometimes shortened on the... MORE
A racing friend, sadly no longer with us, said that green was adopted as the racing colour for Great Britain. But green was said to be an unlucky colour, as it angered the Gods, (or the Demons!) so the paint manufacturers made their greens so dark they were almost black, so as to fool them into thinking it was black. The British got their green cars, and the Gods were no longer angered!! So, basically, any shade of green is considered to be BRG. Personally, I prefer the darkets of all of them: Jaguar British Racing Green. Margaret South... MORE
Read down on this link page for the MG connection Alan http://www.oldspeckledhen.co.uk/did_you_know.htm P.S. I saw a GT6 type fibre glass bonnet fitted to a midget today, that had Triumph Herald catches on the wings to keep it closed. Obviously front hinged. Alan "alan.east-jones" 29684... MORE
I thought only alchoholic rastafarians drank Bluebird LOL! Nah! They drink Red Stripe (that's bl**dy awful too!!) and Miller lite is pretty awful from what I remember. All self respecing MG peeps drink Old Speckled hen http://www.oldspeckledhen.co.uk/oshlinks.htm Sponsors of several UK MG events and guess where it's brewed. A great tasting pint and quite a high alcohol %. That is for us Men of the Midlands, the fairies down south prefer cold fizzy lager and the Northerners like warm , strong beer with a good head. Alan PS French National racing colour was Blue - but Buggatis , were... MORE
I think it was Alan who was querying this... either he didn't know that Bugattis were blue (unlikely) or he didn't know that thery were French Guy "Guy Weller" 29694... MORE
Bugattis were built in France, so yes, blue is the logical colour for their racers. Regards David "David Jacobs" 29670... MORE
The 'original' BRG first appeared on Napier racing cars sometime around the turn of the century (1901 ish) as a factory colour which was subsequently adopted as the national colour for Great Britain. I found this list of other nationalities colours ....... http://www.rasf1m.net/misc.html#Q2 Regards David "David Jacobs" 29668... MORE
Jens I'm not really picking the extreme. I live just outside London and often go =3D=0D up to meet friends for a drink - those are typical London prices. But then you live in Switzerland - and that has an even higher standard of =3D=0D living than England! But then, the wages and quality of life are are higher =3D=0D ;-) Nigel "amukdigiphoto" 29648... MORE
I read somewhere that officially there has never been a British Racing Green colour. I think I'm right in saying that the first proper use of the colour was back in the 1920s when the Bentley Boys went over and wupped the Johny Foreigners @sses. The colour (or similar to) was used by mainly GP British race teams up to the early sixties when advertising came in. Colin Chapman was the first to do this (remember the John Player specials?), but his Lotus's were painted a version of BRG in the 50's as were the ERAs . Coventry climax... MORE
Ah, Colin, of course! Germany was white, you are right!! At least until they needed to save weight on the Auto-Unions and took the paint off to leave them Silver. Guy "Guy Weller" 29639... MORE
Alan, I thought Bugattis were blue? And of course Red for Italy Silver for Germany Green for Great Britain Can't think of any other consistent colours Guy "Guy Weller" 29634... MORE
I believe the "real" British Racing Green is the shade that was adopted by the "Bentley Boys" team when they raced at Le Mans. That's where it got its name. As others have commented, there have followed all sorts of shades interpreting this colour. Apparently, the human eye can detect more distinct shades of green than of any other colour in the spectrum. Something to do with our ancestors living in verdant forests. Not a lot of people know that (said in a Michael Cain accent for authenticity) Guy "Guy Weller" 29628... MORE
Alex Bugeye's never came with British Racing Green as a colour option. The closest 'original' colour you'll find to BRG that is 'original' to the BE is Dark Green or Leaf Green for your year of car (Dark Green to Jan 59, Leaf Green thereonwards) The paint code for that is GN15. If you really must have BRG, try GN29 which was used on the Sprite MKII and III. This site's really handy for checking colour paint codes and what they look like on cars - http://www.teglerizer.com/mgcolors/ Nigel "amukdigiphoto" 29606... MORE
"EVERYTHING is more expensive over here" I never doubted your word, Nigel. BTW, that Frogeye...$14,500+ change! Cap'n. Bob '60 :{) PilotRob@... 29624... MORE
